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Blacklisted from the Upland Indie "Bedroom as speakeasy" scene mid 1990's for excessive drug and scenesterbitch use. Declared themselves "MEATITARIANS" in an amateurish attack on "PC" sensibilities (aue passe). Complete bastards who refuse to either grow up or get a life; went through an utterly inane "National Socialist" phase where the two main perpetraitors dressed as Adolph Hitler and Heinrich Himmler (sp?) for a dozen or so live performances. Absolutely deplorable in both sound and vision